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A space to explore the many paths of holistic healing. Hosted by Heallist founder Yuli Ziv, each episode dives into powerful conversations with practitioners, teachers, and thought leaders across a wide range of healing modalities — from energy work and herbalism to trauma-informed care and quantum healing. Whether you’re a healer, a seeker, or simply curious about alternative approaches to wellness, tune in every other Wednesday to learn, expand, and reconnect with what it means to truly heal.
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Building resilience for spiritual entrepreneurs with Alessandro Grampa
Join us in this episode as Alessandro Grampa's journey from struggling startup founder to spiritual bridge-builder offers a powerful roadmap for navigating our increasingly complex world. Through raw vulnerability, he reveals how debilitating panic attacks and entrepreneurial burnout became the catalyst for a profound healing journey spanning Buddhist meditation, scientific biohacking, and transformative plant medicine ceremonies.
What makes Alessandro's perspective particularly valuable is his systematic approach to what he calls "the trinity" of healing - addressing body, mind, and soul as interconnected systems. His scientific background combined with spiritual exploration positions him uniquely to translate between worlds that often struggle to communicate. From discovering how gluten sensitivity contributed to years of depression to receiving clear guidance through shamanic ceremonies, his story demonstrates how personal healing becomes the foundation for helping others.
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Welcome to the Healist Podcast, where we inspire and guide healers through business expansion. We give voice to incredibly abundant healers to share their stories. We dive into the quantum field to unlock the energies of conscious creation. We also develop digital tools to help you grow, which you can find on healistcom. I'm your host, Yuli, and I'm grateful you chose to join this space. Now let's go deep.
Yuli:Hello, my dear friends, welcome to another insightful episode of the Healist podcast, and today we have a special guest from all the way across the world, alessandro Grampa. He's a serial impact entrepreneur on a mission to bridge ancient wisdom and modern science to peak performance. Founder of Whole Grain Wisdom and with 11 plus years in the startup world, he blends mindful living as a Buddhist and digital nomad with practical scientific biohacking protocols. He's dedicating his life to helping people thrive and he does this by sharing the wisdom he learned himself in the trenches. And today we thought to touch a little bit on different topics of building resilience and navigating uncharted waters that I think so many of us are doing these days, at least here in the US, and maybe Alessandro can bring some of that global perspective to this conversation as well, since he's been traveling the world and living and visiting some incredible places, and so really good to have you here.
Yuli:Thank you for joining, and I like to set intention for each episode and for this one. Yeah, I would love to bring, like I said, that kind of global perspective. Give us something we're so in a day to day-day and a day-to-day so different every day and things, and there's turmoils happening. I would love to share some different perspective, maybe today, and I have a feeling somehow that you're going to give us that different perspective. No pressure, so welcome.
Alessandro:Wonderful. Thanks, Julie, and very nice to be here. As you said, we are far apart from the world. So good morning for you and good evening for me. It's kind of funny having this conversation. They feel so natural even though we're so distant.
Yuli:Absolutely, and you know, just to give people a little bit of a background, we actually met, I think, through LinkedIn, completely randomly, as we both are sharing this content on wellness and entrepreneurship and maybe some biohacking longevity and somehow we connected and this is what happens. And this is not to stray away from our topic, but we talk a lot here about putting yourself out there right and sharing your wisdom, and I can't tell you how many times I tell healers you know more than you realize and you have so much to share with people. All those things are completely obvious to you. They're so needed in this world right now, and we met simply by sharing content.
Alessandro:Yeah, yeah, definitely, I've been in this journey specifically about being very active simply by sharing content. Yeah, yeah, definitely, I've been in this journey specifically about being very active on social just very few kind of selected social. I only work with LinkedIn and YouTube at the moment because, to be honest, the other ones are. I feel the engagement and the attention of people is so low in the other platforms that it's probably just too much noise. It's quite a waste of good connections. I believe LinkedIn definitely is the good platform. It's getting worse, unfortunately.
Alessandro:I've seen this getting worse and worse in the past years with the AI-generated contents and these huge influencers. I mean behind is just tactics and algorithms pumping. But fortunately, these kind of connections that are to me like what technology allows right, because I'm traveling the world but at the same time, I'm able to connect with people like you and yeah, and hopefully through entanglement, somehow kind of build stronger connections that go beyond just the screen and the internet. I love it. We always have to believe in entanglement, somehow kind of build stronger connections that go beyond just the screen and the internet.
Yuli:I love it. We always have to believe in entanglement, Like no AI can ever break the laws of quantum physics right.
Alessandro:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And for me this has been really like the entrance gate because, as you mentioned, I'm an entrepreneur. I don't come from the spiritual world. I got into the spiritual world because of no other way to survive Like the past seven, eight years of having a company Actually, I started when I was 19, but the first one was not that kind of a nightmare, I would say, compared to the last one.
Alessandro:Like the last one we really went all in and we got to like almost a million dollars revenues and we went to like team of 12. So we got investors. So there's been a huge pressure and I like to say that that experience has been kind of like my wake-up call and a little bit of the start of the healing journey. So I can share a lot more details if you want, but just to sum up, yeah, for me science is very important and I'm very glad, I'm very happy that finally it seems, at least for me, that we are reconnecting the dots. So we just finished a very big era of like splitting and separation and now, fortunately, we're getting back together I love that.
Yuli:Yeah, the, the, the connection between this nature and a holistic, healing world and science. I I feel the same. It. It's finally happening, there's glimpses of it. There is still resistance in the community I would say especially in the scientific community but those worlds are emerging. So I'm curious to see what kind of. You mentioned your experience as an entrepreneur, right, your experience as an entrepreneur, right. Let's talk a little bit about resilience and like what was that moment that you discovered that kind of the old way is not going to work and you have to come up with a new set of tools. What was that awakening process was like for you?
Alessandro:Yeah, so it was quite long, I would say, which, from what I'm reading now, it's kind of like the normal path of healing the more bad things, the more rocks that you need to kind of get empty from your soul, the more the work to be done. But for me, everything really started consciously when I got to a point where I was having so many panic attacks every single day that I couldn't function anymore. And I say this quite often in every show that I speak to, because the reality is that a lot of people are not talking publicly about this and so there's still kind of a stigma or a taboo behind being vulnerable in that sense. But the reality is, especially when it comes to founders 73% of them are neurodiverse and literally almost everyone has these problems. So they just don't either show it in public or, some even worse cases, they don't even take action. But yeah, so for me, I went into breathing, breathing exercises, breathing meditations when I really couldn't function anymore.
Alessandro:I'm an ADHD person I don't know if you say I have it or I am, but anyway and and I grew up in a family where these things are, were not taught about. I never went to a therapist or, let's say like to a proper program of like different sessions with a therapist, and probably by never being considered like a special, different person. I would say that, looking backward right now, it was kind of my gift somehow. I mean, if we consider that we choose the parents and the first seven years of our lives, then I definitely chose to suffer a lot, be not understood for a long time, even though my parents were great I mean, they really did everything they could, but there was literally very little awareness about these topics. And after six months of breathing exercises, it was just a very simple meditation that I was running on loop on Spotify. It was September, yeah, and I was born I'm born on the 31st of May, so for me the beginning of the year has always been kind of like the beginning of new school year, and so for that year I said, okay, what's my new intention coming back from holidays, of the summer holidays? And I said, okay, I want to learn how to meditate, because breathing somehow I got connected with meditation. I said, okay, who does meditation? And somehow, immediately the Buddhism came to my mind. I always said that if I ever believed in any religion, I would have been Buddhist. I said this since I was a kid. It was crazy how connecting the dots backwards makes complete sense, and so I looked on Google and I found a meditation Buddhist center in Milan, where I was living at the time, and somehow I got into the world. I still remember the first time that I that I visited the center, only two people were there, because it was just after the summer course that they normally held in Germany and so very few people were there. But the two people there, they welcomed me and they hugged me. They didn't ask me who I was, what was my name, where I came from, what job I did, and so on. So that was really like the first, probably awakening moment of saying, hmm, there is another way that people live in and I'm not aware of.
Alessandro:So long story short, those years passed and I kept attending classes and studying and meditating. It's from the Diamond Way lineage, it's like one of the direct lineages from the Karmakaju lineages of the Tibetan Buddhism, and this helped me a lot, because I've been always, like, very fond on having a morning routine and my morning routine was always waking up at 6.30 and do meditation. So that really helped me a lot, like decreasing the stress, handling a bit better, the fights with my co-founders and with some of my employees decreased, and so on and so forth, until COVID happened. So what happened during COVID? Pretty much like anyone else, I was stuck in a tiny house Well, not even a house, it was like a small apartment and I stopped moving completely. I was already not even a house it was like a small apartment and I stopped moving completely. I was already not doing a lot of sports back then, but really that time was killing me.
Alessandro:And during those years well, during the lockdowns, I remember that I connected with a functional doctor who, for the first time in 12 years, after tons of medical exams and so on, without like finding nothing about my health and trying to solve random stuff that never really brought me any better any farther he just told me look for the problem that you have. I was having like swollen throat and in general, like gastrointestinal problems since many, many years. He said take out gluten, take out lactose. And my background is in gastronomy. My bachelor is in gastronomic sciences, so I already had knowledge into chemistry, food, nutrition and so on from a scientific perspective. But that was really the time where I understood. What they taught me wasn't complete at university and so I stopped Gruten and after the first four to five days, something like that I woke up in the morning one day and I still remember it I didn't have brain fog for the first time in 15 years and I was like, is this really how people are supposed to live?
Alessandro:And then I discovered that gluten sensitivity comes out days after you actually eat gluten. So it's not something like you can really understand immediately, and the majority of the tests, the scientific tests, are not like sensing the sensitivity because in many cases it's really too complex for the current exams. So I realized also that my chronic depression disappeared and it was strictly connected to me eating gluten. It was unbelievable, and so that really sparked my interest into biohacking and understanding from a more contemporary, modern, scientific point of view what is really good for your health and what is not. And then of course, understanding, like in my previous university.
Alessandro:I come from kind of like a slow food background, so I was already in contact and aware of healthy food, mindful eating and so on. But they all said the problem with the current you know bread that you don't digest or the current milk that you cannot digest is because it's industrial, only that, and then you should buy sourdough bread and it's going to be fine. Yeah, well, it's not for me and not for the majority of the gluten sensitive people out there. So, into biohacking, I discovered all of the reasons why these things happen and, yes, some of them have a reason due to, like industrialization and the way that we process food, but in many other cases it's just also connections with the way they are produced, the energy that they have inside. I mean, it's a much more complex topic. And then the last piece of the puzzle, so I like to call, like the three, the trinity body, mind and soul. So I worked on the mind with the meditation, the body with the biohacking.
Alessandro:The last very big piece for me was going back to Colombia. I lived in Colombia many years ago with my now wife and we did some work with shamans, but only acupuncture, no real plant medicine and so on. We didn't feel ready back then, but we came back to get married. We actually did a beautiful ceremony, just the two of us in the jungle, with the shaman. We didn't take medicine back then. I did it the weekend afterwards and, my gosh, that really changed completely my life In one night, through ayahuasca experience, I downloaded like the plan for the next 10 years.
Alessandro:It was already like I had so many questions and I was able to go so deep for the very first time taking the medicine. I already worked with psychedelics before, but nothing, nothing comparable to this experience. And I really feel that I received like a very clear message and path. And this is my mission now, because the medicine told me I asked the medicine, well, first, shall I keep my current company at the time, which we were working on vertical farming and so on and technology, and or shall I leave it immediately and in general, what is my mission here? And the medicine first told me you should keep going as far as you can. You will receive a message very clear that is going to be like not mistaken when you're going to arrive, for when to leave your current company, but your mission is to develop technology for elevating the human mind.
Alessandro:So from there, months passed and processes in my head and talking to different people.
Alessandro:I did some hypnosis as well with a very good person that I worked with in the past in Milan, and you all kind of went into this vision of merging ancient wisdom with science, because the reality is that the majority of the world speaks science, and it's also religion in some cases, because in many cases it became a dogma.
Alessandro:So if people don't want to see what is beyond science, because science doesn't get there yet and it's funny because then you, you explain them. But look, it's not that bacteria never existed until they discovered them, like they were always there. We just simply didn't know how to to see them and you actually had a lot of people dying because of bacterial infections. So this is exactly the same situation now, and quantum physics is in the middle. For me, like, imagine the triangle of the Trinity. Quantum physics is what speaks exactly the language of everything, and if you are familiar with the work of Nassim Aramein and people like him, you really understand that the math is there to explain every single thing that spirituality has been saying for thousands of years. It's crazy.
Yuli:Well, let me process this. Thank you for sharing with Trinity. I just love this analogy too, and I can totally see the entire process of that's happening, and I'm always it's been painful.
Alessandro:Now I smile, but I cried a lot.
Yuli:I'm sure it's not as beautiful as the Trinity that we imagined, but I think many of us have been there some longer, some shorter, some more painful, some less, but it definitely can relate to all of this, definitely can relate to all of this. And when you mentioned discovering, like going through this process with the help of some guides, some different modalities, you know, from the Buddhist people that are hugging you, embracing you into their community, to you know the shamanic ceremony. You know the shamanic ceremony, it seems, and I think it's true for many people. We need those guides in our life, right? Sometimes it's things that's happening to us, but many times it's the things that are happening to us, plus the guides we meet along the way that show us a better way. They show us something that we haven't seen before, you know, whether it's hypnotherapy or shamanism, whatever it is, and I just find that to be really fascinating, how a lot of the stories basically come to the same, more or less the same process, right?
Yuli:Yeah definitely yeah, and I'm curious about your work with those healers and practitioners. And then how does it tie to the thing that you mentioned to me separately that a lot of them actually come to you now for business advice?
Alessandro:Yeah, this is one of those things that you really don't plan and the universe puts you like in front and and yeah, I think in this specific case is it's been one of the the very first like clear evidence of a manifestation that I was focusing on in the past months because it really went like super fast. So I was manifesting this new kind of work and new focus, helping people unleash their highest potential through science and nation wisdom and so on, and I was living, which is one of the Canary Islands. We were back there with my wife in October yeah, october last year and we went to this amazing co-living focused on spirituality. So everyone was kind of a solopreneur, entrepreneur slash freelancer. So we all work during the day but, like in the morning we were having yoga classes, meditations together and so on and chit-chatting with the, with all the people there. Some of them were running businesses connected deeply with like consciousness and and healing practices and so on, and I and I realized that, like all of my experience in the business part was very helpful for them. But I also felt that unless you spoke the same language, it was very hard to connect from a deeper level, because if you talk business only somehow you're not in the same vibration. I mean, you're definitely into a lower vibration than somebody that is really like into the healing practices and so on. For some reason, I believe I'm in between still, I'm still able to do the bridge to this.
Alessandro:And I add what this person first, with Ecoliving, is launching different experiences. He renewed completely his brand strategy, made it clear because, like, he was putting out there a ton of different things Ah yeah, but I do this in this language, this in the other language and then I offered this opportunity and then I offered that opportunity. It's like, yeah, but how people are supposed to even understand what you have in your head is like too messy, and so we work together to like with different systems and kind of models that I that I get, that I got and I learned through through, through the different startup experiences, like one of the typical kind of accelerator canvas that they give you to to make sense of what is in your head. And another person as well that was working on a community of women for, like, health related to their cycle and good nutrition and so on and so forth. So it was funny because I wasn't really looking for those things, for those things. They just came to me and they all told me Ale, you are actually our version of our manifestation, Like we were manifesting to finally find somebody that could help us make sense of what it was for us in our business, and very nice conversations during that period was a big realization as well.
Alessandro:That, because I come from such a scientific grounded point of view and then I got into spirituality, I really have a very good infrastructure like solid infrastructure, solid ground to like make things, like make sense of things. Right, whether on the opposite side, I actually had a lot of like sharing from people like that they have issues because they say, look, I'm great at connecting with spirit guides, I'm great at like emotionally deeply connect when I do certain kind of activities with my, my clients or the people that I'm in a retreat with, and so on, but then when it comes to like grounding it down from a pure materialistic perspective, they're not grounded enough and it's a nightmare for them and I and I totally see this. So, yeah, I think it's a nightmare for them and I and I totally see this. So, yeah, I think it's as anything that needs balance. It's always like even something as how do you say materialistic, as making money and making a business work needs needs to have, like some, some proper strategy, right, right, no, absolutely I can relate to everything you were saying.
Yuli:I feel like maybe that's why we connected, because I that's how. No, absolutely I can relate to everything you were saying. I feel like maybe that's why we connected, because that's how I, literally the way you describe yourself as a bridge, that's how I describe myself that I can walk between those worlds just like shamans do, right, but my worlds are the business world and this world of spirituality and, just like yourself, world and this world of spirituality and just like yourself, you know, I've firstly been grounded with a business experience, even though I had amazing spiritual moments as a child and somehow I stumbled upon studying meditation when I was 12 and then astrology when I was 16. But it was always kind of. You know my secret hobbies, right, it wasn't something that I was leading with. I was always, first of all, a business person, a tech entrepreneur, and then, when I got into deeper into spirituality, that's where I started feeling as well Okay, I can speak both languages and actually both communities understand me, and I think we were probably placed on this earth for some reason. Right, and that's how I feel. That's why my work is so deeply mission driven.
Yuli:It's not a question, you know, whether I should continue this podcast or not. It's just like I have to do it because I feel like not many people talk about this, about this much needed bridge right now and how the people those amazing, gifted, talented people that dedicate their lives to serving others and being the spiritual guides how much they need this grounding, even though they often don't come requesting it right, they often say, well, I don't need marketing, it's not how I operate, or I don't want to build business structures. But I think many of them finding themselves in a situation where they're kind of forced to figure that out right, and at least get comfortable and find their own authentic way of whether it's doing marketing or structuring or organizing their business in a way that makes sense to them. But they have to claim it Right.
Yuli:I think, like step one is always just claim that you are a solo entrepreneur, right, entrepreneur. Right that you are a small business owner. Like you have your own practice. If, if most of your paycheck doesn't come from a corporate or a big company, you are, by definition, an entrepreneur. So that's a lot of my. But I've seen from my side and I'm curious what do you see from your side working with this wonderful community?
Alessandro:well, what I noticed for sure is that I don't know I mean I don't have enough scientifically, like statistically evident proof, but my intuition made me understand that the majority of people that come with this knowledge and also the skills, they are relatively good at starting up like zero to one. Like I have an idea and that's my calling and I want to put it out there, and I don't know like I make an Instagram page and I get a bunch of thousand followers and then from there somehow I managed to get a conversion of some kind. Where I've seen most of the struggle is going from one to 10 and then 10 to multiples, because, of course, there is no structure, there is no knowledge of how to do this kind of structure, and I believe it's also because the way that we run our businesses today it's very different than a natural kind of ecosystemic point of view that a normal village or tribe would go. Of course, all of them don't necessarily want to have like a super hierarchical structure and more horizontal and so on, but startups got there much before, like in the past. You have people like you have companies from the 90s in Silicon Valley. Even before that they broke down hierarchical structures and they're like fully going like horizontal and giving people like authority for doing what they believe it's right.
Alessandro:But somehow planning this process it's not easy. So it happens sometimes that you have I call them founders, just because it's kind of like a terminology that is closer to me with my background. You have these founders that need to plan hiring. They need to understand how many events to do in a certain time and how to structure the brand so that it's clear what they're communicating. It's one single thing. Then of course, it translates into different products, but it's one thing. It's not tons of different products, but it's one thing. It's not tons of different product and tons of different things at the same time and working on this with them, things that really come natural for me probably I mean for sure, because of the experience so far. For them it's like, oh, wow, okay, we are making sense now. And it's funny because I actually quite recently, since a few months, started to work with a channeler and I connected with my guides to understand a little bit more, like on a daily basis, where to focus on and so on. And when the channeler connected the very first time, she was mind blown because she saw like tons of like kind of you know the green wheels of the machineries I don't know how to describe them in English Like she's seen like a huge screen with all of these machinery clicking and clocking together and then like being completely coherent, and she was like, oh wow, you're really like connecting the dots and making like everything coherent and making sense between the different topics and so on. So, yeah, probably this is something that comes very natural to me and back then, back when you were saying being a bridge, I think for us it's a big duty that in some cases I feel like I would kind of like to escape sometimes from, in the sense that I give you an example Last week I was in Kuala Lumpur.
Alessandro:It's a huge city Well, not necessarily huge, but you feel that it's a very chaotic, urbanized place and I was coming from two and a half months in nature. I was living in a couple of islands between Thailand and Malaysia and when I got there, immediately I started feeling rushed and stressed and that was really my realization of like electromagnetic frequency overload and all of these different overload of signals, and I couldn't dream anything else than just getting back to nature. And during those days I connected with. I worked again. I had another session with the channeler and she told me Ale, the city is the place where you were born, you grew up, you speak their language. You cannot escape from them. You need to go back to the city, use a different bunch of different techniques that I won't explain here, like to be healthy and to be mindful and present also in cities, because it's very easy to be in nature. It's another thing to do it in the city, but the people that are in the city are also the ones that really need the most this kind of work.
Yuli:All right. Well, I could have said that myself too. Stop reading my mind. No, we have such similar experiences, you know, and I'm fortunate to live just an hour away from New York City and it used to be my place that I loved so much and I drew so much energy from, and as I moved out to nature, I find myself with the same kind of thing I can, but what I found is that works well for me is the micro dosing of the city right. Getting just to now and going with this conscious intention. I'm getting there to get that boost of energy because it is a beautiful energy in the city I mean, especially a city like Manhattan, which is still chaotic but it has its own like rhythm happen, which is still chaotic but it has its own like rhythm right, and the beautiful people that occupy it and really see it as this like experience to draw some of that energy in, because I find myself in nature. It took me a while to find the rhythm right and the same productivity that you get from those places. So I think it's that beautiful balance right, and I do think people like us, probably because we're bridges, we probably need both right. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I love that, and so let's.
Yuli:Is there anything else you would like to share with our audience? Is there anything else like you mentioned your channel or that you work with. That I love as well, and I probably. I have a couple that I work with and I always get some really incredible insights. Is there anything that comes to mind that we want to channel to our beautiful audience as a kind of a wrap up for this episode, as a kind of a wrap-up for this episode.
Alessandro:Yeah, I think I would love to connect and give kind of like my two cents on the current situation of where humanity is going, the world is going. You told me before hitting the record button that a lot of the community is feeling ungrounded, doesn't really know where we're going. And my perspective again bridging the business part, the economic part and the future from a consciousness point of view, the idea that I made for myself, which is, of course, not my own opinion only, it's been shared and kind of like reiterated and reconfirmed by a lot of the people that I follow in their work. What I'm seeing is that, on one end, a lot of very, very good and successful people in the business and science world are really turning into acknowledging fully the essence of spirituality. And there is one video, one interview that I share to pretty much all of my direct connections, which is an interview from Federico Faggin, which is the inventor of the silicon. So Silicon Valley wouldn't exist if it was not for him. He's a physicist, italian that moved into Silicon Valley before it was even called Silicon Valley. He got like awards from President Obama. I mean, it's a very successful person. He's in the late, late 70s, early 80s, right now and he turned completely like his life and his legacy now is about talking about AI and technology in general with a lens of understanding how quantum physics work and how consciousness works. And for me and people like hearing these people and people like him, confirming what I've been studying on my own, is really a confirmation that the world is changing. We are going into a merger between technology and humans. This is inevitable. We cannot really escape escape, let's say, from from from this trend, and I also like what matthias de stefano I don't know if you're familiar with this person talks a lot about. He's a rememberer, so he does a lot of work reconnecting with his past lives and and bringing also the ancient wisdom of what's the name of the population before, like the previous big Atlantis. Yes, so I am seeing like.
Alessandro:The real question is what is going to happen like between now and the next 10 years and then from 10 year onwards, because now we are in the complete mess of a change of paradigm. You have the American empire that is going down. You have the Chinese empire that is on the rise, but at the same time, the Chinese empire doesn't seem, at least for now, as like imperialistic minded as the, the, the, the powers of the west, like us first, when us most recently, uk before, netherlands before, and so on they did in the past. So probably there are some people that say, probably because china was already an empire in the in the past and it collapsed, so they already know that if they really want, because China was already an empire in the past and it collapsed, so they already know that if they really want to expand like as an empire, at some point they will collapse too. So there is surely like a big rivalry growing between the West and not really the East, but like mostly like the Chinese minded block.
Alessandro:Let's say like the Chinese minded block. Let's say then this is going to be affecting a lot the economy. I mean, we are seeing now what's happening with the tariffs and so on. It's all just about reasseting like the different positions, like as a chess game. It sounds like weird to say that people are playing chess, but probably that's really what is happening. And so this is one thing from an economic perspective.
Alessandro:Then, on the other perspective, you have AI, which is going to take literally everything that we're doing, that is considered to be a machine-like job and, to be honest, I don't see this as a negative thing, because the reality is that we've been forced for very too long to work on machine-like jobs that are completely dehumanizing our experience of life. So those are going to be replaced in these 10 years. While the replacements goes on, our countries are going to do universal basic income. Our country is going to do some kind of resistance to it we don't really know. But after then, the work that the healing community is already doing, it's really going to be the only work that matters Because, yeah, there will be a bunch of scientists and a bunch of very technical people that are going to be the ones supervising and further like, implementing the technologies that are being developed, even though AI is going to engineer itself because it's going to be so smart. So, probably or even the humans couldn't do a job like a better job than the AI training its own AI algorithm, and so what's left? Everything that's left is being human, finally back as a human, connecting peer-to-peer, sharing energy, doing the healing work.
Alessandro:Even for me, I come from the gastronomy part and I always say gastronomy and all of the artisan work is going to boom again, because people don't need to work in McDonald's and flip burgers.
Alessandro:Maybe they're really going to use their own passion to make gourmet burgers or you know whatever gastronomic experiences and machines are not going to do this. So actually it's a very good thing what's happening if you're ready, but of course it can be scary if you don't see the whole picture because you're missing the parts right. You're just seeing the noise. You're just seeing the media, all of this nonsense that they just keep pushing on your brain so that your hypothalamus goes under stress. It's all meant because they need to make money in the meantime, because they know that they're not going to make money any longer. But I see this as a very positive direction and of course, we all need the healing community and all of the people that can connect to a higher vibration to guide all of the people that are going to be so desperate in the next 10 years that they're going to turn either to violence and extremism, but I believe in many more cases they're going to turn to spirituality because they need to give sense of this life.
Yuli:Well, I had a feeling you're going to bring some incredible perspective to us and you did, and I couldn't agree more. I think absolutely. I keep saying healers are the guides in this new awakening age and we need this community more than ever. And they don't see themselves as very important now, maybe, but we know that they are important and what can we do to empower them and to take ownership of this very important job that they're placed here to do, and what tools and skills we can help them gain so they can create more impact in this very important time? So thank you again for bringing this perspective to this podcast, to our community. I just love, love connecting. I recently had a chance to connect with more kind of people from the international community and I just love those conversations because I feel like sometimes, here being in New York specifically, you feel like you're in a bubble. So thanks for taking us out of this bubble and reminding us of what's truly important. It was such a pleasure having you.
Alessandro:As well, Julie. Thanks so much.
