Overcoming the odds to inspire wellness with Udo Erasmus

Udo Erasmus, the esteemed founder of Udo's Choice Line and author of "Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill," shares his incredible life story from enduring pesticide poisoning to emerging as a leader in health and wellness. Through this episode, we unpack how Udo's background in biochemistry and nutrition equipped him to challenge industrial oil processing and champion the importance of personal health responsibility. Udo's relentless commitment to enhancing lives, driven by his early experiences in a war-torn environment, serves as an inspiration.

From the heavy burden of self-doubt to the triumph of completing a 54-chapter book, our conversation reveals the transformative power of perseverance and inspiration. We explore how moving back home and embracing unconventional ideas allowed a seemingly impossible dream to become a reality. Through stories of overcoming obstacles and harnessing an obsessive passion, we highlight the vital role of dedication and resourcefulness in crafting remarkable outcomes.

Turning misconceptions on their head, we tackle the misinformation surrounding essential oils, particularly omega-6. Udo passionately urges listeners to seek accurate insights and avoid sensationalized narratives as we journey into themes of inner peace, holistic health, and the bold expression of intuitive insights that challenge the status quo.

Special gift for our listeners! Get a free digital draft copy of Udo's brand new book "Your Body Needs An Oil Change": https://udoerasmus.com/theheallist

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Chapters

• 0:04 Inspiring Healers
• 13:48 Overcoming Doubt and Pursuing Passion
• 27:27 Inner Peace and Finding Mission
• 40:51 Defining Success and Riches
• 46:36 Uncovering Nature and Health

Transcript

Yuli: 0:04

Welcome to the Healist Podcast, where we inspire and guide healers through business expansion. We give voice to incredibly abundant healers to share their stories. We dive into the quantum field to unlock the energies of conscious creation. We also develop digital tools to help you grow, which you can find on healistcom. I'm your host, Yuli, and I'm grateful you chose to join this space. Now let's go deep.

Yuli: 0:36

Hello, my dear friends, and welcome to another super insightful episode of the Healist podcast. Today we have the legendary Udo Erasmus, the founder of Udo's Choice Line, which can be found at Whole Foods and other health food stores worldwide. He's an acclaimed speaker and author of many books, including the best-selling Fats that Heal, fats that Kill, which has sold over 250,000 copies. He teaches at events hosted by Tony Robbins and Deepak Chopra, has keynoted International Brain Health Conference and has traveled to over 30 countries to conduct thousands of live presentations, media interviews and staff trainings, impacting more than 25 million lives with his message on oils, health, peace, nature and human nature. Uda has an extensive education in biochemistry, genetics, biology and nutrition, including a master's degree in counseling psychology.

Yuli: 1:39

I am just so honored to have you in our space and our holistic community. Welcome and, as you know, I like to set intention for each episode and for this one. I'm really so honored to have this opportunity to inspire our holistic community with all your wisdom, not just as a health expert but also as an incredible business person who built this incredibly inspiring holistic empire, and I really hope our listeners can get some of your wisdom and get inspired to think big. All right, if you would like to set your intention as well please do.

Udo: 2:23

Well, my intention is always really simple. I came out of a war and I've. When I was very young, like six years old, I said, man, there must be a way to live in harmony. Man, there must be a better way to live than this. And I'm going to find out how, and that's been my driver all my life. So my intention always what can I do in the situation I'm in that will elevate people's quality of life in whatever way is possible? That's all I'm interested in. That's all I've ever been interested in, actually. And it feels good in the heart when you do that. It feels good in your chest when you do that. Right, helping, helping feels good, so we're wired for it right.

Yuli: 3:09

Absolutely.

Udo: 3:10

And hurting feels bad, and I like feeling good more than I like feeling bad. So helping is what I'm obsessed by.

Yuli: 3:25

Amazing. Well, speaking of helping, I want to kind of write in and ask you when was the moment you felt like you're into something big, that you're really impacting people with your work? I know I'm sure there were many moments in your incredible career, but can you share some of them?

Udo: 3:40

Well, when it comes to oils, several things happened. I got poisoned by pesticides and the doctors couldn't help me. So that was one piece of it, right, and it was like, oh my God, my health really is my responsibility, and I sort of knew it. But now it was real, so it was just not an idea, yeah, my health is my responsibility. It was like, oh, you know, I'm on my own here, right, and I had the backgrounds to look in the research to find out about nutrition and health, nutrition disease. That's really the focus that I had because I wanted to get healthy. So that was one piece.

Udo: 4:20

The second piece was I found out how much damage is done by industry to oils when they make them the commercial oils, edible oils, right, half to 1%. And if it's 1% damage, then in a tablespoon. You know, when I talked to them and I said, why do you do this when you know it does damage? Because I read that in their journal. And they said well, one of the reasons we do it is we can get rid of half of the pesticides in the oil. And I'm thinking, oh my God, I got poisoned by pesticides. There's pesticides in oils. 50% of them stay in. Oh my God, I didn't even know there were pesticides in the oil, you know. So this is like eye openers, right. And then he said well, what the hell is your problem? It's like it's only 1% damaged. 99% of it's still good. And so then I thought well, maybe I'm overreacting. It's only 1%, so let me do the math. So I said okay, how many damaged molecules will you find in a tablespoon of oil if it is 1% damaged? And I ask people that question to guess Guess how many damaged molecules? And they always guess Well, give me a number A tablespoon of oil, it's 1% damaged. How many damaged molecules in the tablespoon? I don't know. A thousand, okay, a thousand, a thousand, that's three zeros, right, okay? So you want to know the actual number? Yes, it's a six, followed by 19 zeros. Wow, it's quintillion damaged molecules. So what we're doing to ourselves when we use these oils, we're doing something to us that, in your case, is 60 quadrillion times worse than you think it is, and when people give me numbers, they always estimate at least a billion times lower than what it actually is. So we're doing something to ourselves when we use these oils every day two to four tablespoons of something that is a billion times or more worse than we think it is.

Udo: 6:30

So then I say, okay, like you're going to get an airplane and you're going to fly home for the holidays, right. So you got your boarding pass, you're waiting to board and just before you board, somebody taps you on the shoulder. You know this is a truth teller Only ever tells the truth. By the way, did you know that your chance of crashing and dying on this flight was a billion times higher than you thought it was? Would you get on the airplane? No, I was in Ireland. I said I would canoe back to Canada, right, and my chance of getting there wouldn't be that good, but I would prefer to do it that way than to get on an airplane where I. You know that. I thought that you know where my chance of crashing and dying was in your case today, right, 60 quadrillion times higher than we thought it was right. And I say that because you need you that, because we do it, because we're so used to doing it, we need to stop and think what are we actually doing here? So that was another piece. It's like, oh my God, there's so much damage being done to the oils.

Udo: 7:36

The third one was I found out that 99% of the population does not get enough omega-3s for optimum health, single most widespread essential nutrient insufficiency. And then I was like, oh my God, if we could make them without damage and we could bring them back into the population and make sure that everybody gets it. And make sure that everybody gets it, oh my God, we could help almost everybody. And I got so inspired. I just I found a purpose. Oh my God, this is a mission from God, right? And then I was like, and that enthusiasm that I got, yeah, you know, it's nice, like it's nice helping old ladies across the road, right, this feels good in the heart. It's something we're made for. Yeah, but I could help almost everybody on the planet.

Udo: 8:31

And then the goal become a bottle of oil made with health in mind in every fridge. Because when I understood how much damage is done to oils, I figured out we should make should be making oils with health in mind rather than with shelf life in mind. And so I developed a method for doing that. And it has to be very tight, because light, oxygen and heat damage oils very easily. So you have to protect them. If you want them to retain the health benefits, you have to protect those oils and you have to do that so that no light, no oxygen and only low temperature get to the oil from the time it's in the seed, where nature's packaging keeps it pretty well, through the pressing, the filtering, the settling, the filling, till it's in a brown glass bottle, because plastic leaches into oil. So you don't want plastic packaging in a brown glass bottle in a box, in the fridge, in the factory, in the stores, at home and you add it to foods after they come off the heat.

Udo: 9:35

You never, ever, ever, ever use good oils for frying, because frying is the most damaging thing we do to our health, worse than white sugar. It's the most damaging thing we do to our health Worse than white sugar. Frying is the. You know, more health problems come from damaged oils than any other part of nutrition. More health benefits come from making the oil change that your body needs to oils made with health in mind. So that's kind of like a story and that was, oh my God, we could help almost everybody.

Udo: 10:02

And then it was like you know, we never set goals, we never set goals. We never set goals every year. You set a goal. Well, we want to go up five percent, ten percent, we said. You know, isis said okay, let's just get the hell out of there, let's see how far we can get. The goal was always a bottle in every fridge, because everybody's already using oils, but they're all using oils that are damaged, that are damaging health. So those kinds of things came together and then and you know the timing wasn't my timing I got poisoned.

Udo: 10:31

When I got poisoned I was already looking at the research. When it was established that omega-3 is an essential nutrient, that was in 1981. I got poisoned in 1980. So I was already. I had my head in the journals, I was trying to figure it out how do I get healthy? And oils were really confusing. So I kind of got locked into that because they said omega-6 is essential, you have to have it, you can't live without it. And the very next study said omega-6 gives you cancer and kills you. And I'm going what. I have to have it so it can kill me. No, no, there's got to be something wrong here. And it was that contradiction that got me to look deeper and find out how much damage is done to oils by the processing that industry does, because they do it for shelf life, they don't do it for health. And then, as, like, a whole industry got started making oils with health in mind out of this thing that came together by forces much bigger than me right, and being poisoned by pesticide became a gift at that point. No, I'm glad that happened, because it stopped me and got my attention and and got me to look right, and then the learnings began. So there's several things that came together and it's kind of it's.

Udo: 11:52

It's usually like that when you know you're in a situation, you have certain talents, something happens and you all of a sudden you look at something and maybe you see something you've never seen before or that nobody's ever said before, and then you're obsessed. Oh, my God, you know we can do better than this. Right? I came out of a war, this is like stupid right. And then out of that comes, you know, comes inspiration, and when you're inspired you have a lot of energy. Inspiration frees energy and then you can do things that if you asked an accountant, should we do this business? He said don't even start, right. And then instead, what gets done gets done by passion, not by bean counters.

Yuli: 12:44

No, it's a very beautiful story and I love that you turn your personal challenge into this beautiful solution that helps millions today. But it still sounds very simple, right, when you say fueled by passion. Can you help us for some of the people that may be having some of those ideas or beginning of those inspirations, but they really don't know what the next step is? They can see, they can visualize it, they have the big dream, but you still you know we still live in this 3D reality that you have to make certain steps and, yes, talking to an accountant is one step, which is not always helpful because they can talk you out of things so the same with legal and such. But how did you proceed in your case? What was the next steps in your process to actually get that beautiful idea to every fridge?

Udo: 13:36

Right. So I think you have to embody the inspiration and you have to lose the three-dimensional reality, right, because that's all your doubts and all your you know. When you three-dimensional reality, right, because that's all your doubts and all your you know. When you were a little kid, your parents told you you can do anything you set your mind to. Then you become a teenager and you start doing the thing whatever you want, and then they say you got to be realistic, you have to have a job, you got to get you know what. Are you going to be practical, right? So first they set you up and then they knock you down, right? No, you have to lose the three-dimensional reality. You cannot do something original if you don't let go. You can't row your boat across the ocean if it's tied to the dock, so you have to untie it from the dock, right, and a lot of that, and there's self-doubt. So what I did specifically? I moved in with my mother. I was 1983, I moved in with my mother. I was 41 years old. Oh wow, I moved back in with my mother and I, because I said to her I had said to her because I wasn't working cause I had been poisoned and I wasn't sure where where I was going next. And I said to her you know I want to write a book. You know, I started reading about fats and then this thing was like oh my God, other people must be, should be able to benefit from what I'm learning, cause I I took a lot of biochemistry, including fat biochemistry. All of this stuff I was reading was never taught in biochemistry. So I said, well, there must be other people who could benefit from this knowledge. Okay, well, I'll write a book.

Udo: 15:14

So then I met a guy who wanted to make an oil factory, but then his situation changed and he couldn't do it. So I said, okay, well, what can I do? What can I do by myself? Well, I can write the book. That's a starter, right? So I told my mother I want to write the book and I could do it weekends and evenings, but I'd like to be able to do it full time. She said, okay, you can move in and you can get free room and board. So I was, and I'm living in the same place that I was lived in when I did that in 1983, and right right here was I had a. I had a desk with a handheld non-electric typewriter, click, click, click, click, click, click, click. And my friends were all partying and I was on the typewriter and sometimes I would say I don't know why the hell am I doing this? My friends are partying. I like to party, right, and then something would always happen that would say no, no, no, keep doing it, you're on the right track.

Udo: 16:16

So then I wrote the book First time. I got 60 pages into it and I said this is garbage, so I had to start again. Second time, I got 30 pages into it, I said I wouldn't, I wouldn't buy this book, had to start again. And the third page it just rolled out. I wrote 54 chapters, one after the other. The only thing I did I just got into a flow.

Udo: 16:42

And there's a point when you're understanding, because I was reading every day. I was in the library all the time. We didn't have. I was driving to the library I mean taking a bus to the library and then I'd go into the stacks and I'd pull the books and I'd ask the library where's this and where's that? And then I would read and read and read and take notes, and take notes and look at this and everything you know. And it was like open-ended because I didn't really know quite yet what I was looking for. Anyway, so on the third try, I had, you know, it just flowed together and literally other than sleep and hygiene and eat, I was writing and I wrote 54 chapters, one after the other, and then I, at the end of it, I said, okay, what else is missing? I wrote five more chapters and inserted them in various places, but it's like the book almost wrote itself. It's like almost like channeled. Wow. You know, I don't usually think in terms like channeling, but it feels like that. I don't usually think in terms like channeling, but it feels like that. So I'm being used for something and there's a place when something in you gets organized and when you're obsessed with something, your whole being organizes itself around your obsession. It's just human nature right Now. If you've never experienced that, you don't know that because nobody tells you that. Right Now. If you've never experienced that, you don't know that because nobody tells you that. Right. But you know, you've probably been obsessed. Once in a while you got obsessed with something and magic happens, right. So you want to lose that. And then what happened was when the book got written.

Udo: 18:22

I didn't really want to do more and my brother, who's a science teacher, you know he helped me with the book and I tried out my explanations on his grade nine science class, because it has to be grade nine level to be understood, because I can be much more technical than that, because I spent like almost eight years at university and most of it was in science, right? And so we did that. And then he said well, you know, you should make oils, you know what you're talking about making oils with house and mind. You should do that. I said no, I don't want to do that, I just want to pontificate, right. And he said well, no, listen. He said you know what you're talking about, you've done the studies, you've done the reading, you understand what you're doing. Now you're going to write a book and that book will get into the hands of people. They will use your book to sell their products, but they won't make their products the way they need to be made. So you should do it because you know. You know how it needs to be done. And I grumbled, but you know what it was like he's really right. I hated that. He's right, but he's really right and so.

Udo: 19:39

So then I got, and then, when the book came out, some people got really interested. They said, they said they wanted to work with me and so literally, the book found the people I needed. Wow, and that's another universal principle that, if you like, I've noticed that when I do something or I have a goal and I'm inspired about doing something and I'm too lazy to do it and I want, and I now look for help, I never find the right help. But if I start doing it and do what I can on my own, without help, when I need the help, the help shows up. How does that happen? You know, it's the inspiration. I don't know if you create an energy field or whatever it is, and people are sucked into that energy field. I don't know how that works.

Yuli: 20:28

You become a magnet. Yeah, literally.

Udo: 20:32

Literally. And so the people to do it found me one way or another, and then that didn't do the business. I actually got screwed in the first business. When the money started coming in, you know, they said, oh, we don't need him anymore. Oh, this is so good, it'll sell itself. And then so they pushed me out. Now I got depressed and I was close to suicidal. Wow, you know, I put my whole life into this, you know, and I thought if I make it work for them, they'll make it work for me. That's not always the case.

Udo: 21:11

Then I rewrote the book, and then the rewritten book attracted a different situation. And so the idea is, you know, like if you do what you can do without help, when you need the help, the help will show up. But if you want to get the help before you've done what you can do without the help, then that help may not be what you need, because then you need to actually work on yourself, with yourself, by yourself. So you take it to as far as you can take it by yourself, because why invite somebody into it if you don't need somebody in it, right, yes? And then what happened? We started making decisions. You know, I have no business background, zero. I have not taken zero business background, good background in science and understanding the issues. And we made decisions, right and left, about the standards, about how to make the machinery, about where to go, what to do, what to say, how to explain it to people. And of course, you learn it as you do, that you get better at it.

Udo: 22:21

Because I was actually really shy. You know, when I was a kid in school never asked a question in class, never Once. Once I asked a question and the teacher told me I was wrong. That was the end of my asking questions. Never asked a question in university, always tried to figure out things by myself. So I was really shy.

Udo: 22:42

And now I got this thing and now I'm supposed to go out and talk about it. And I said to the guy who published the book he said, you know, he said do you want to do a give a talk on fats? And it was four months away. So I said, oh sure, you know, safe, sure. And then it closer, it came and said I'm not going to show up, I'm just going to stay home. I'm not doing it. Because I was that nervous. I said to him you know, I'm really nervous, I don't want to do the talk. He said, listen, you just spent five years on oils, so you know more than 99% of the people who are going to show up for it. And he said the 1% that knows more than you. Just listen and learn.

Udo: 23:24

I was like, well, is it that simple? And then I did my first talk. My mouth was so dry, it was like hard to talk, right. But the moment that I got into saying okay, I have something that can be helpful to people and focused on helping, rather than how do I look. The moment I took the focus off me and how I look and put it on what I was here to help people with, the nervousness went away and now I can get up on stage and, honestly, I don't get butterflies or anything. I'm so comfortable. But I won't get on stage if I don't know what I'm talking about. So that's still there, right, yeah? And now it's like I've talked to thousands of people, sometimes thousands of people in one room.

Yuli: 24:13

Well it's such a beautiful story and there are so many great lessons there and I think maybe it sounded again very easy. But the fact that you also, after the being pushed out, that you went back and actually rewrote the book and build it all over again, that you went back and actually rewrote the book and build it all over again, it's just so impressive because I feel like it's something that shouldn't be taken for granted. It's really a special skill that, like Phoenix, that gets reborn over and over again, so it's really inspiring.

Udo: 24:46

Well, actually, let me tell you the story about that. So when I got pushed out, I was really depressed and I talked to somebody. He said well, what's your problem? You're just upset about an idea. And I was like, what do you mean idea? I put my whole life into this right. Later I said, oh yeah, it's just an idea that I'm upset about. But that didn't fix it because you know.

Udo: 25:12

And so I wrote to a mentor that I have and told him what happened. And he had somebody call me and said keep working with flax. And when I got that advice I said wait, why would I? Why the hell would I want to do that? Flax is the cause of all my pain, right?

Udo: 25:30

And it wasn't until several years later that I recognized how important that advice was, because I already had 10 years into flax. I could have started from scratch and moved in with my mother again although she was gone by that time, right, and started from scratch again. And he was wise enough and not emotional about my situation so he could see clearly, you've got 10 years into this topic, keep going. And so that's what that. And then it's like, yeah, because even the fact that he cared and to give me the advice, kind of like, ah, and so then I went on, then I rewrote the book and then we improved, went from flax to a blend that is better balanced, because I actually became omega-6 deficient on flax oil and I said, well, I want to make something that helps people, that can't hurt people, and so then a blend came out and then I went on and I worked in digestion and worked with greens and worked with different things, and now it's total health based in nature and human nature.

Udo: 26:40

So it's just expanded, my the things expanded from doing it. So it's interesting that I'm it's not that I'm so smart or so wise, I'm just I just want to help and there's an openness that comes from that, because you have to see, well, how can I help? And then if I get good advice that allows me to help better, I'm open for that. If it's bad advice, I can blow it off pretty easily.

Yuli: 27:16

Yeah, that was a beautiful advice and a great point that when we fail, we don't go back to square one, right, yeah?

Udo: 27:24

Yeah, well, if it's your mission, it's your mission, you know Right. But the thing is, you know how do you get the mission? To me, the most important thing is to do nothing. Go stillness, practice every day, spend some time alone by yourself, alert, awake and present in the space your body occupies, and feel what that feels like, because that's where you find your peace, that's where you find the love that everybody's looking for. You already have it in you. It loves you unconditionally and it empowers you and loves you unconditionally, and out of that love comes your inspiration.

Udo: 28:03

So what is your mission? It's already sitting inside of you, but you have to get quiet to discover it. And then, what is that mission? You become the inspiration for that mission. And then to deal with the three-dimensional reality that I told you before you should blow off. Well, at some point you have to deal with the three-dimensional reality, like how do you charge and what kind of billing system do you build and how do you make your presence? How do you get your presence out there, whether it's internet or you join clubs or whatever you do, right? Well, you get somebody to do that for you, because there are lots of people who know how to do that and you make sure that you're clear on the mission that you hold to the mission, that when it comes to the quality control of that mission, you stay in charge. I haven't always done that, but I've seen then how it degrades the mission when other people because other people have their own ideas about things, right.

Udo: 29:07

So if it's your mission, you need to maintain control over what is the nature of that mission. Because it's your mission, it was given to you. You know other people, some, some other people don't have a mission like that and then they just cut corners. You know when you, when you're clear about your missions, you don't cut corners, right, so so. So then people say you know, do what you do best, and if you're the visionary, then do that and hire or include other people who have the other skills that you don't have and that's important, beautiful. You know, and then you can. You know, if you're starting small, then you get part-time help for that. There are people who do books and who can do marketing campaigns on the internet. You can go to the schools that teach those people. They'll get you the help. You can sometimes get government subsidies for part of the expense of that, because it's in the government's interest for businesses to be successful.

Udo: 30:16

So I still don't have any business background. I'm a little bit more comfortable with it than I was and I don't really want to be a businessman. I don't know why I have that vision, and it's always a vision about helping. And it comes out of the war and everything being really stupid and thinking, no, you know what, there's a better way to live and how can we live better and how can we prevent the wars? Well, you got to find the peace, you got to find the power and you got to then bring that into the world. That's how you build a peaceful world. You bring peace that you feel because you sit still to discover it, and you bring that into the world it's such an important point that you're making and I feel like a lot of people in this space.

Yuli: 31:08

They have the, the mission, they have the vision, they figure it out. But I think the speaking part is still very difficult for people because a lot of you know healers or holistic practitioners. They still carry this block of being seen or, you know, maybe being criticized by different communities for maybe who find their views controversial. I mean, there's all kinds of blocks, right, and I feel personally and this is for me, the podcast is my mission of being heard and getting the voices out because we have to speak up. This community has to speak up, because if we don't speak up, there's other information that gets out there and gets way more attention. So it's really important to exercise that.

Udo: 31:56

Right, like disease management becomes healthcare, right, right. It's like I took a year of medicine. I wanted to know what health is and we were only learning about disease. So I went to the dean and I said to him so what is health? I came here to study health. We call it health care. So what is health? He said we don't know, we're working on it. I was like what you call it health care and it's not health, right? And then we were told in first year medicine a doctor should always sound as though he knows what's going on, even when he doesn't. Oh, wow, and we call that lying on the farm. I said no, that's not for me. And so I went back into biochemistry and genetics because I realized I learned more about health in biology than I'm going to learn in medicine.

Udo: 32:46

Yes, because they're just focused on disease and you don't find out what health is. You know you don't find the right answer by looking only at the wrong answers. You know when two plus two is four, right, you don't. You don't figure that out, you have to. You have to know that. Well, once you know that, you know that every other answer is wrong. It's like infinite minus one answer to the question what is two plus two are wrong and you only have one right answer. Right? If you guys find the right answer, then you automatically also know what are all the other answers that are wrong.

Udo: 33:25

So why aren't we looking for health? And why aren't we looking for peace? And why aren't we looking for love? Aren't we looking for health? And why aren't we looking for peace? And why aren't we looking for love and defining what those are, and especially defining them experientially? Right, because then you know what it is and then you can live really well and not be guessing all the time. Right, because if you don't know the right answer, you're always guessing. And then you ask all the experts, and all the experts have agendas, and sometimes you don't know all of their agendas, right, and then they mislead you because you're not leading yourself. So again that goes back to the stillness practice, because everything you're looking for out there terms of personal fulfillment is built into you. It's already within you.

Udo: 34:17

But your focus wandered off when you got born. You had to get to know the world. Your focus wandered off. Now you're focused everywhere except within yourself, where all the goodies are. And so the wise people of all ages I've always said come back to yourself. What you're looking for is within you. You know, seek first the kingdom. Kingdom of heaven is within you. Seek first the kingdom, right? Well, so we hear that kingdom of heaven is within me? Okay, but I'm still looking for everything outside, right, this is it. Didn't you just hear what he said? The kingdom of heaven is within you. Oh, why aren't you looking inside? Seek first the kingdom, do that first, because once you get yourself clear, everything else becomes easy.

Yuli: 35:02

I mean easier but I feel, like a lot of people in this space, they know the truth deep inside, they're highly intuitive and they might have the answers. They might not know the scientific explanation for everything they see or feel, but they have deep intuition and they know the answers. But they still maybe lack that confidence to go out there and speak up for different reasons. Maybe because they feel like they don't have the right scientific backing to make those statements. Maybe they are concerned from the backlash, or maybe it's a self-doubt that this is just me and my intuition imagining things. This is just me and my intuition imagining things. So there's a lot of thoughts that come to mind when you are going out there and bringing your mission out there and sharing it with the world that is not always friendly.

Udo: 36:01

So how do you overcome that? I think the answer to that is you have to go deeper, Deeper inside you. The peace in you has no doubts. The unconditional, empowering love that is your life has no doubts. It's always healthy, it's perfect health, and the more settled you are in that and not just when you're sitting still, but you hold on to it when you move around in the world. Be present in your own space when you're interacting in the world, because that's where the confidence lives.

Udo: 36:39

And it doesn't depend on a scientific explanation. You can find the words if you understand another person's language skills or their vocabulary. You can say things in a way that they will understand using their language, if you're really clear within yourself what it is and that you would want to help them right. And then, other than that, you know. In psychology we were told that when you don't have confidence, it's because you're more worried about how you look than what you're delivering. And it said, when you focus on yourself, then you get nervous, and when you focus on the gift, on what you're bringing to people, you lose that nervousness.

Udo: 37:36

So I did a little experiment. I was sitting in a room that was used for people to take turns, talking about their experience and I wouldn't talk because I was that shy, right? I wouldn't talk because I was that shy, right. So I sat in the chair, the room was empty and I pictured myself in the chair thinking about I mean, I was in the chair thinking about how do I look? And literally I could adrenalize myself in a chair in an empty room where there was nobody, just by my stupid idea of how good I look. And then I would switch to okay, I'm here to give you the best I've got in terms of information that you can use to make your life better. And the moment I did that, the adrenaline went away and I literally went back and forth between the two, and so it was like I proved to myself what my professor had said. I proved it to myself in my own experience, and that made it really clear to me I'm not coming here to look good, I'm coming here to deliver a message. That's what made that go away. And again, then, it's just a matter of time.

Udo: 38:50

Every time you deliver the message and you know you get more focused because it works well, because literally 99% of the population that comes to your talk wants to hear what you got to say but you can, but then you don't get on stage and you say, how do I look, right? Then you say, oh, yeah, you know. Did you know that there are 60 quintillion damaged molecules in a tablespoon of oil? That's 1% damaged. Oh, now you're you know. And did you know that more health problems come from damaged oil than any other part of nutrition? And then you say, well, how do you know? I can back it up, I can tell you how you figure out how many molecules are in a tablespoon. Right, Because that's all the background, that's the homework you do, right? And yeah, because it's not about you. So if you come there and it's not about you, if you come there, if you make it about them, how can I help? How can I serve? How can I? What do I have that can make their life shine a little better?

Yuli: 39:53

This is such a beautiful story and thank you for sharing all of the really your journey to becoming what we see, to the diversion that we see today that looks so easy and makes you know so much sense and how much you had to overcome. I think it's just incredibly important for people to hear and so inspiring. So thank you for sharing your wisdom and your journey. I can't believe we're like running out of time. I feel like we could talk for hours. You have so much to share.

Udo: 40:22

We can do more.

Yuli: 40:24

I would love to do a part two, but before we leave, I just wanted to ask you all a couple of questions, any kind of last words of wisdom for our incredible community, and I know the audience will have access to your latest book, your Body Needs an Oil Change, which I'm really excited to share. Yeah, if you would like to say a few words about that as well.

Udo: 40:48

Okay, so I made some notes before I came on right. So the first one is what is success? Well, it depends on how you define it, because it's your own definition for your own success and it's different for different people. For somebody it's a million dollars and for somebody is. I helped a lady across the road and I picked up her groceries when her bag broke. Right. What is success? And you've? And success is a feeling, it's not a bank account, it's not a status, it's a feeling.

Udo: 41:19

Second one is rich. You know success and rich goes together. Rich is a feeling because you can have $50 billion and be depressed. So rich is an inside job, just like success is an inside job. And, by the way, you're successful because you're breathing, and when you stop breathing, then you'll be unsuccessful, but you won't care, right, okay.

Udo: 41:43

Then the other one was if you can, if you're obsessed with something, that's a sign that probably there's something there that you want to explore. You know, if you can be, and especially if you can be, obsessed with helping and me, the stillness is always the foundation, because when I feel cared for, it's not about me anymore, you know, and all I have to do is bring my focus into the space my body occupies. That's where the care lives. Life unconditionally loves me and empowers me, me being the body, right Life, and I'm actually life. I'm actually that unconditional love, that unconditional empowering love. So life loves the body unconditionally and empowers it.

Udo: 42:32

When that's an experience for you, you're literally capable of doing way more than you ever thought you were. Because you have you know, everybody has talent, many talents. When you're fully present in your space and you feel cared for and you're in peace, oh my God. There's so many different ways that you can help and this is a cool thing, okay. And then the other thing is just making the biggest splash for good that you can make in the time you have on Earth. Can't go wrong on it. You can't go wrong on that right. And then, in terms of, yeah, I think that's pretty much it, there's no formula because you're unique. So your story, your success story, your story of what your life is going to be like, is going to be as unique as you are. So it's not bad to get advice, but don't make the advice more important than your own experience and really push for your own experience.

Yuli: 43:38

So now you I was going to say that we're making a big splash here, I feel like, with this conversation and sharing your goodness and all the things that you do to serve people, so I feel very it very resonates with me. I feel obsessed with helping this community to expand and really get all the abundance they deserve and fulfill their personal missions on earth. And there's so many people on a mission that living in this time and awake and discovering their power when it comes to health and they want to help other people. This is most people that come to the holistic healing. There are people that made their own discoveries and they just can't help but share it with the world and they become obsessed with sharing their knowledge. So I think you're literally talking to the right audience here, yeah, and it's a great empowering message yeah, and the book your body needs an oil change.

Udo: 44:41

It's not formatted yet, but there's some good stuff in it. Fats that heal, fats that kill is the big book. It's a very thorough book. I didn't read it, you know. I wrote it, but I didn't read it until about a month ago. I had to look for some things in it and I started reading. I said, wow, the guy who wrote this really did a good job. But you know, when you write a book, you know you don't. After the book is done you don't generally read your own book.

Udo: 45:08

And I had it up to here. You know it's very thorough. It's very thorough and a lot of people are saying, you know, don't use oils and don't use omega-6s. These days, complete BS. Omega-6s are essential. Omega-3s are essential. They need to be made with health in mind and the people who say don't use them are blaming the sick omega-6s. And the people who say don't use them are blaming the omega-6s and the oils for damage done by processing, and they're not blaming the damage, they're blaming the oil. Huge mistake, huge mistake, and there are a lot of people saying that right now. And they didn't look deep enough. They've done half the homework. They didn't do all the homework.

Yuli: 45:48

Well, thank you for doing the homework for all of us.

Udo: 45:52

Yeah, and I did it 40 years ago. There've been books like that, there's always a book like that, and they are not one of the people who wrote the books who say don't use oils, don't use omega-6. Not one of those people has ever talked to me and I have not been hiding, and they just make it up and then you know. And then it's like oh my god, you know, like if you, you know you, if you yell fire, you get attention. So that's what they're doing with this thing and they're just getting attention for themselves and they're actually not solving the problem because they're misrepresenting what the problem is. So you know, when it comes to, when it comes to oils, come and talk to me.

Yuli: 46:32

Absolutely Well. Thank you for all of this wisdom. I just feel like it's been a packed episode and thank you again for sharing the early draft of your latest book and it's very exciting and I would love to dig deeper and please come back for part two. I feel like there's more stories to cover.

Udo: 46:52

Yeah, I talk about nature and human nature and total health. I'd love to do it, just set it up. I hope that your audience gets inspired and gets something good out of what we're doing.

Yuli: 47:06

Absolutely. I know they will Thank you, Udo, so much again.

Udo: 47:10

All right, thank you so much again. All right, thank you.